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Hi Memory team,
With the latest update, diacritics are now required for Romanian words (thanks a mil for fixing this issue!). However, I have encountered an issue with ș and ț - when typing these using the Romanian keyboard, they are marked as errors. It is possible I might have copy-pasted these particular words, or that when adding them to the course I used the on-screen diacritics, but I am not sure.
You can check my Romanian course for the word - deferență. For the word containing an ș, șild, I have already used the My answer was correct option to have the answer accepted even when typed directly from the keyboard.
Let me know if you need more details. Thanks!
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Small update - it seems that ș and ț are displayed twice in the onscreen diacritics menu (Memory menu). For ț, the answer was marked as correct only when using the second ț symbol.
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First, thanks for pointing out the duplicate characters - they will be fixed in the next version.
I created a course with 2 words:
deferență
șild
I see the problem -- it seems to marked OK when typed with accented letters, but it should say "Watch out for the accents" if I type deferenta for deferență ... so that's a bug.
I am looking into this to see if we can fix the accent detection for this language
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Actually, I may have misunderstood. When you next get a question like this, could you please hit "Report question" from the play screen in the bottom right?
I reported both terms using the Report button from the Learn screen.
Apparently removing the additional diacritics from the special characters menu solved part of the problem - the words are now registered as correct but the accent check screen is triggered even if the words are correctly spelt (all diacritics in place). I can also provide screenshots with the issues if needed.
Thanks a mil for looking into this!
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Thanks for highlighting this in detail. We will fix this. It seems we have a few really nasty problems with certain characters in various languages that, up until now, have never been recognised 😦 It's high up the list, but a bit trickier than I thought - thanks for pointing it out.
No problem at all - for now, the partial fix works quite nicely and for other cases, using the "My answer was correct" feature as a workaround also works. Thanks for looking into this 😃
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Hello, I think I have found the problem finally. In the click-keyboard we had the wrong T for Romanian. We had ţ instead of ț (they look the same in this font, but if you copy and paste them in an editor you will see they don't match), and the same issue for the ș
I believe they should have been exactly:
ă
â
î
ș
ț
They are now updated to the above in the next release (later today or tomorrow) on the click-keyboard.
But a problem remains -- Romanian courses /questions made using the old keyboard are going to have this problem unless edited. If some questions are typed by keyboard and others with the on-screen, it's going to be a bit mixed up 😦 We could edit them all in batch, but want to be confident that this is definitely the solution before modifying users' courses.
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Ok, 90% sure I have fixed this now to the extent it should work for historical courses too rather than having to edit the questions. Have added a "custom compare diacritic normalisation" function when marking answers 😃
So after this, diacritics with VERY similar looking (indistinguishably similar) symbols (but perhaps from other languages or other keyboards) should be marked as EXACT matches. But a t in place of a ț will be an accent check message.
I need to be careful with what I add, but have added Romanian formats based on the previously broken keyboard.
If that doesn't fix the issue entirely, please let me know and copy and paste them exactly here (e.g. [ğ] [ġ]), as I can easily add more canonical characters, e.g.
It won't be live until the next version though, 1 - 2 days.
I will update then.
Thanks again for going through all this trouble, much appreciated, especially for a language with so few users 😃
I got an update notification today so I am assuming that the fix from your latest comment is already live.
I went through the problematic words and I still get accent check message for [ș] and [ț], both when typing and when using the on-screen characters (click-keyboard). The exact words for which this happened (copy-paste from the edit screen) are [deferenţă] and [şild].
When I paste these in Word, for example, it seems that indeed these are different characters (even if the same font, Calibri, is used) - the one pasted from the course is part of the Symbols Subset called Latin Extended-A, the output on my keyboard is part of Latin Extended-B. Not sure if this info helps in any way though.
As I was starting to wonder if my desktop keyboard was the issue, I also tested these on my laptop and iPhone (using Safari and the Romanian keyboard) but with the same result...
Please let me know if I can help with any other details.
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I'm so sorry, I should have said to save you having to spend time trying to figure out what's wrong. It's not live yet, sadly we were unable to do a hotfix on it as it's not in a batch of other pending updates.... we are updating speaking and typing and the character change conflicts with a few things so couldn't put it live yet.
It's going to be a few more days before it's good to go.
No problem at all 😃 Just let me know once the fix is live so that I can re-check.
One of these terms just came up in a practice session today and the keyboard diacritics were accepted by the system with no issues.
Closing this as fixed. Thank you!
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