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level: Siman 91 revised

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level questions: Siman 91 revised

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What is the general rule when non-salty meat and cheese touch each other?The point of contact must be rinsed
What is the general rule when salty meat and cheese touch each other?You must remove "k'dei klifa" (כדי קליפה) from both
What is the general rule when meat and cheese - 1 salty and 1 non-salty (תפל) touch each other?You must remove "k'dei klifa" (כדי קליפה) from the תפל
What is the din if meat and cheese touched each other - according to the Mechaber?The point of contact must be rinsed
What is the din if meat and cheese touched each other - according to the Alter Rebbe?It can be rinsed only if there is "sha'as had'chak" or "hefsed meruba" (שעת הדחק או הפסד מרובה)
According to the Mechaber, are you allowed to have meat and cheese touch, relying on rinsing it afterwards?No
What is the din if meat and cheese touched each other - according to the Shach?If they were both dry, rinsing not necessary
According to the Shach, are you allowed to have meat and cheese touch, relying on rinsing it afterwards?No
According to the Mechaber, what is the din if cold, kosher meat touched a cold, non-kosher plate?The meat must be rinsed
Are you allowed l'chat'chila to put a piece of cold, kosher meat on a cold, non-kosher plate - according to the Mechaber?No
Are you allowed l'chat'chila to put a piece of cold, kosher meat on a cold, non-kosher plate - according to the Rama? Taz? Shach?Rama: only if food is dry, AND plate absorbed without heat.Taz: only if food is dry OR plate absorbed without heat.Shach: if plate is CLEAN, allowed temporarily.
Are you allowed l'chat'chila to put a piece of cold, kosher meat on a cold, non-kosher plate - according to the Alter Rebbe?If plate was RINSED, allowed temporarily.
According to the Mechaber, are you allowed to have bread touch meat or cheese? Why?No. You might come to eat the bread with the opposite type
If meat and cheese touch, and the top one is cold, and the bottom item is hot, what is the halacha? Why?They absorb from each other, and you need 60X to nullify it. Because the bottom heats up the top (תתאה גבר)
If meat and cheese touch, and the top one is hot, and the bottom item is cold, what is the halacha? Why?They don't absorb completely from each other, because the cold bottom cools off the top (תתאה גבר). But you must remove "k'dei klifa" (כדי קליפה) from both, because it absorbs a bit before it cools off.
If hot meat fell into cold milk, and you can't remove "k'dei klifa" (כדי קליפה) from the milk, what is the halacha regarding the milk - according to the Rama? Taz? Shach? Magen Avraham?Rama: permitted. Taz: need 60X the "kdei klifa". Shach: since liquid, permitted. Magen Avraham: depends if "kdei klifa" is needed halachically, or only a stringency/safek.
How does the Gemara define "salty" (מלוח)?"Too salty to eat" (אינו נאכל מחמת מלחו)
What are the 4 levels/opinions of "too salty to eat" (אינו נאכל מחמת מלחו)?Rama: like before roasting. Rabeinu Tam: like for removing blood before cooking. Rashi: for storage. R. Yaakov Yisroel: for long term.
According to the Rama, are we able to distinguish between the 4 levels of "too salty to eat" (אינו נאכל מחמת מלחו)?No
What is the halacha when 2 salty foods that are fatty (שומן) touch each other?Completely absorbs
What is the halacha when 2 salty foods one which is dry (כחוש) and the other fatty (שומן) touch each other?Completely absorbs
According to the Rama, are we able to distinguish between food that is dry (כחוש) or fatty (שומן)?No. We treat everything as if it is שומן (with rare exceptions)
What was the case of the Terumas HaDeshen? (Seudas Bris...)Kosher and non-kosher meat was salted separately, and then mixed together after 18 minutes.
Does taste get transferred during the first 18 minutes of salting, according to: Mechaber? Rama? Shach?Mechaber: no. Rama: yes. Shach: Yes, even if hefsed meruba.
Does taste get transferred after the first 18 minutes of salting, according to: Mechaber? Rama? Shach?Mechaber: yes. Rama: yes, unless hefsed meruba and seudas mitzva. Shach: yes, unless it was to take out the blood, in which case you can be lenient like Rama.
As far as salt causing taste to be absorbed, is there a difference between whether it is salted on one side or both sides?No difference
When meat was salted heavily (for long term storage) is it enough to rinse off the salt, or does it still convey taste?Still conveys taste until it's soaked.
Do we care about which is on the bottom (תתאה גבר) in cases of salted foods?N0, only for hot food (with an exception later on in Siman 105)
What is the halacha when salty meat touches non-salty cheese? Why?Cheese needs klifa, and meat needs hadocho. The salty taste gets absorbed by the non-salty. But the non-salty doesn't give off taste back.
What is the halacha when salty milk touches non-salty meat?The meat is prohibited, because salty gives taste to non-salty. The milk is a machlokes.
What is the halacha when salty meat touches non-salty milk? Why?Both the meat and milk are prohibited. With a solid like cheese, the salt from the meat has to make the cheese salty enough to extract milky liquid from the cheese. With milk, the milk itself is already salty.
A soft piece of fat is considered to be dry (יבש) or liquid (צלול)?Dry
The Gemoro (Chulin 113a) says that where a salty piece was "salted with" (מלחו עם) a non-salty piece, the salty piece does not absorb. How does the Ran explain "salted with" (מלחו עם)?According to the Ran, the 2 pieces weren't touching. They were just salted next to each other, and there was contact from the liquid that came out of the salty piece.
According to the Ran, what would be the halacha if the 2 pieces (salty and non-salty) were touching? Does anyone pasken like the Ran?According to the Ran, if they are touching, both are prohibited, even if one piece is not salty. (According to him, the case where the salty piece doesn't absorb is limited to when the actual pieces are not in contact -- only the liquid.) The Rama in siman 105 says we should pasken like the Ran, unless there is loss (יש להקל במקום הפסד).
According to the Mechaber, if salty meat and salty cheese touch each other, what is the halacha?If they are both dry, they only need hadocho. If they are wet, both need klifa.
When the Mechaber speaks of the salted pieces being "wet," "wetness" from where?Only wetness that was pulled out by the salting. If water spills on the pieces, they are not considered "wet" regarding this halacha, and hadocho is sufficient.
In general, when the Torah speaks about something being "wet," what is the definition? Just seeing a bit of moisture is considered "wet"?Just seeing a bit of moisture is not enough to be considered "wet." It has to be "wet enough to make something else wet" ("to'fei'ach al m'nas l'hat'fi'ach - טופח על מנת להטפיח)
A piece was salted with only a small amount of salt that was less than "not eaten because of its saltiness" (אינו נאכל מחמת מלחו), but still some liquid ("Tzir" -ציר) came out. If that liquid drips on another piece (cheese onto meat, for example), do you need klifa, or is hadocho enough? Why?You need klifa. Even though the piece is not salty enough, the salt is more concentrated in the liquid that it pulled out.